Where’s the painting ?

As some of you should have noticed, no new painting from me for a bit.

There’s two reasons, or rather points to make about this.

First I’ve started the Hobgoblins:

As you can see they’re all unique poses (10+ poses in a single unit of 20). On top of that all the poses no matter how close are very varied in terms of equipment and style.

These figures were done back in 1984-1987, and were done well before mass Warhammer armies really came into vogue – they were more for RPGs when individual poses were more important. Since the 1990’s the sculptors have limited the poses to units and so you only get 4-5 poses for rank and files and they are very very similar. Which is great when it comes to building and painting units of troops because you can churn them out quickly.

So this isn’t going to happen:

Sounds like a spray can of orange, pick out details then blast with an army painter dark or mid brush on and then matt varnish…basing and done…c’mon crack on.

Too much details, too much variation. 😦

So I’ll be trying to do them as fast as possible, but that degrades the quality as I don’t have time to treat them as character figures.

As you can see I have a Dark Elf Witch Elf, and a british Mortar crew on the go as well. This is for variation

 

Next point brings us on to:

Rick Priestly as a veteran gamer and rules writer still involved in the hobby has had a go about the ever higher standards of painting in the hobby (historical and GW). Article is here.

Basically there’s an issue of how high standards are becoming for painting. Talking with some of the Byakhees this is also a concern for them. We have agreed that we aim for a wargaming standard, no great shakes. Some of us are able to do really good stuff but we’d prefer to field armies of troops (100-200 figures) rather than aim for perfection. This is also especially true as some of our group are not painters and have limited skills/experience.

So the question is how far do you go in getting the well painted figure ?
How far to you go to get an entire unit, or indeed army to field ?
Versus the perfection and variation of say characters figures ?

WHFB: Hobgoblins, A short History – Part 2

After the release of the Hobgoblin Rocket Launcher sculpted by Aly Morrison and Mark Copplestone it all went quiet.

At this point, they had been described in Forces of Fantasy as:

prolific if crude metal workers – producing armour and weapons in great quantities

and possessing:

Hobgoblin Shamans can have fierce mutant guard dogs called Hobhounds.

…along with being subject to frenzy.

They featured in a WHFB 2nd edition scenario, The Dolgan Raiders. They were forming a caravan travelling along the great east road taking stuff to the Old World and were bing attacked by the Dolgans – a group of human nomads (these also are still mentioned in the WHFB fluff as Chaos Marauders). They used lesser Goblins (Gnoblars) as slaves and rode wolves.

In WFRP (1986), they were described as:

…the second largest of the goblinoid races, often reaching six feet in height…The resemble Humans more closely than an Orc or Goblin, although their faces are extremely ugly to human eyes. Their leathery, blemished skin is usually a dark yellowish brown and, unlike most goblinoids, they have a full head of black hair.

In WHFB 3rd Ed (1987), they had changed a bit to the typical Greenskin:

In common with other goblinoid races their skin is dark and geenish.

In Warhammer: Armies, (1988) their mercenary nature was reveealed being list as a Mercenary Contingent only, and also the Hobgobla Khan was mentioned as chief of the ribe of Mournguls.They werfe still subject to frenzy.

All is quiet until their re-appearance as allies and servants of the Chaos Dwarves and their appearance totally changes – full on greenskin appearance with shifty faces and hooked noses. Neither that iteration of Chaos Dwarves nor Hobgoblins caught on, and GW ditched them many years ago. As I was just buying my own house to renovate I never acquired many of these rather odd figures. And to be frank liked none of them.

Hobgoblins next appeared in the Dogs of War series of units GW produced. The Hobgoblins had Oglah Khan’s Wolf boys:

A minor hero also was mentioned and had a mode – Ghazak Khan. As you can tell from the titles, this was a reversion fo the Mongol/Oriental themes they’d started out with.

Since then, nothing. Chaos Dwarves are mentioned and are a side line for Forge World. Of Hobgoblins precious little. Even the Ogre Kingdoms don’t mention them. Only greenskin nomads placed on the Warhammer world map in WD300 are their legacy.

Well that’s going to change. 😉

WHFB: Hobgoblins

The first unit of figures I ever assembled was some Citadel C36 Hobgoblins. I’d had some figures before then, Orcs and Dwarves, but they were random purchases. Instead the Hobgoblins mounted up to 30 strong in short order and were even painted (badly) in a cohesive way using Citadel’s Hobgoblin Orange paint ! Luckily for me, no pictures remain of these….I did however keep the figures and for a good few years continue to amass Hobgoblin figures.

Having repeatedly stated that my opposing generals knew my Dark Elves almost as well as I do, I recently decided to start assembling properly my Hobgoblins into an army. As you can see, I have enough figures now !

Infantry, including some bowmen.

Wolf Riders – lots – including Olga Khans mercenaries, the original Nick Lund Orc Wolf Riders that match stylistically with Ali Morrission’s Hobgoblins, and then the later Nick Lund Grenadier wolf riders.

Oh and the Morrison/Copplestone Rocket Launcher and crew.

All of these date from before 1988 during the Golden Age of Citadel, so I’ll do a quick historical run down whilst the glue and undercoat dry out tomorrow and I start to lay brush to metal.

Obviously finding some rules for all these troops has also been an issue…

WHFB: Hobgoblins

No not those rubbish Chaos Dwarf underlings – the real ones back in the Golden Age of Citadel !

This guy is very very good at painting.

This is NOT my painting, but it’s what I aspire my Hobgoblin army to look like !

Available as C27 Hob Hounds & Master.

Then old C36 Hobgoblins were my first main purchases, and have a huge pile of them to paint. By a towering co-incidence this battered model missing mosdt of the shaft and point of his spear was given to me today by Byakhee Rich.

And yes I have an army in waiting…. 😉